You were the one who claimed Beerus >>> Broly, but haven't provided any evidence. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. Whilst Jiren was heavily supressed. This is a big difference between "You might be stronger" than "On-par or entered the domains and POTENTIALLY even surpassing it" Moreover Jiren's tiny little amount of Ki released made Beerus sweat like a piss fountain and when he released a "hint of his true power" made Goku revert back to his base form, because he has realised the gap between them. Yeah, but we can get an idea that he used a good amount when he fought Champa in the baseball episode. It's just a gag episode, Champa and Beerus were never serious. Only way you can argue Gogeta at universal is if you scale off Buuhan based on a filler scene, meanwhile Beerus would have destroyed the Macrocasm(mortal universe and otherworld) which is more impressive than what Gogeta has done by feats. It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power.Gogeta/Broly did none of that even remotely close to what Jiren did when heavily surpressed try again. Even if you disagree the basis of your argument is still dumb, cause both Gogeta and Beerus scale far above Buuhan. The threat was the after-effect, and only over time. @tony501: Belmod never got injured and in the anime he beat Beerus in arm wrestling and in both anime and manga Belmod is implied to be stronger than Beerus. He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). what's an Infinite of nothing? In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. ?They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus... Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus.When did they say "might"?Give me the direct quote... @karkus: I'm talking about how the dubbed said it. Goku Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken forced Hit out of his dimensions twice. In Super, it's never stated which percentage Beerus actually used so it's difficult to judge. what is this a joke? 30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. Did the authors make Trunks overpowered for no particular reason other than fanservice? clearly something is wrong with that hence why scaling is as important as feats. And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. ... Was it even stated Brolys power continuously raises? Using what Dragon Ball Nation said (I don't know his real name) Whis would be 80% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,Gogeta goes 100%,toys with Whis a little,then takes the fight seriously and ultimately,wins with a couple of scratches.Now,since Dragon Ball Super is out,why not cover Champa and Vados and the Omniking. ready to take you anytime. According to Goku, Beerus is around the level of Broly. @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? Beerus, Super powerscaling is greater than GT's one. Frieza was literally there for 1 hour fighting Broly and not only was he able to have a few bruises and injury, but he was CONSCIOUS and he WAS IN HIS GOLDEN FORM! Got in to a debate with a friend, I personally believe Gogeta can triumph Beerus but apparently his powers have been retconned to the point where he's near omnipotent. Just can't imagine the power level of something like SSGSS3 Vegito or some crazy shit like that. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Not bad at all! But he has better skill, can use hakai and UIO. We have not seen the true power of Beerus yet.This debate might never be answered, since there's technically no right or wrong answers. Judging by what we see in the movie Gogeta Blue hasn't shown anything that's comparable to Jiren in Tournament of Power. Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. I don't want any vague BS or excuses or any other useless comparisons from a stupid gag episode. That wasn't base Goku. Gogeta via having an awesome design, beyond anything seen in Super. SSJ4 Gogeta, or Vegito if he existed, don't stand a chance. I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power. Hit's dimensions were the size of a small building. @deathwingterminatort1000: Please tell me how SSJ4 Gogeta does not stand up to SSB Goku, @deathwingterminatort1000: yea ik lol I was just fucking around with that post lmao. And go to 3:06. The fact he took years to build that much energy shows OS himself is actually even weaker than that, so beating him isn't really much of an achievement here. ?Then how do you know that Gogeta is stronger than Beerus just because he dominated Broly...Beerus never showed 100% of his power so Goku only compared Broly's power to Beerus when he fought against him in the God of Destruction arc...There's no evidence to suggest that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful than Beerus.They might can push Beerus.But defeating him is ridiculous.Beerus has millions years more training and fighting experience than the two combined... Beerus UI (Whis said he haven't his master UI) >>>>>> Beerus full power (Goku can never see Beerus using FP) >>>> SSB gogeta >> LSSJ Broly > LB jiren = MUI Goku. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. and it better not be ''my opinion''. beerus is only Universal via feats. @tony501: Again with the baseless argument, with no proof whatsover...Any links? It was heavily implied that in both manga and anime that Belmod is stronger than Beerus. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. Yes, you stated that, but it's unsure if it's true. Yeah, they show something is possible, but the words connote varying degrees of likelihood. A common debate. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. Goku stated that Broly might even surpass Beerus. amrite? The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. Goku base and Beerus had the potential to destroy the entire universe just by colliding their fists and God form the impact of their fists destroyed solar systems. @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. And Beerus has never shown his full strength, in the Super anime+manga, it's never stated that which percentage of power Beerus used.If Broly was such a threat to Beerus' position as a God, then why didn't he intervene, nor ever did Whis as well.Whis was merely playing aroud with Broly. @tony501: In the manga:Belmod is able to damage all of the Gods of Destruction by capturing them in Imprisonment Balls and attacking with Energy Cards. "How can a mortal release this much Ki"? I hope you are not trolling because in the English dub Goku said might be stronger than our Beerus and also probably and might are literally same thing. @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. this scaling are based off the official statements. Gogeta would probably win. I can't wait for the day we see a serious Beerus. I could point to some scaling, but why should I bother. Personally,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would be stronger than Beerus and Whis.This is how I think the fights would go:It would take Beerus a while to go 100% because he hasn't went that in a long time so,SSJ4 Gogeta would probably toy with Beerus until he goes 100%.Once Beerus does reach his max power,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would still play around with him.I think Beerus is about 40% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,SSJ4 Gogeta goes 75%,toys around with Beerus,then knocks him out.Now,Whis. This is about as much a universe buster as carbon emissions are a life wiper...in fact, that very attack, after only having its polarity reversed to positive, normal ki...didn't destroy anything at all. Gogeta's power is way beyond the gods of destruction, Beerus wouldn't stand a chance against him especially in the blue form. If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. What is Beerus's level? And Beerus scales of off jiren and goku who shook infinite world of void, so yes he scales higher. Beerus utterly stomps. @karkus: I asked you to provide proof first.If you can provide evidence to say that Broly is on Beerus' level then I will find it secondly... Marketing and announcement hypes don't count... @chasekilleen: I never claimed Broly was on Beerus's level. Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Really, nothing to compare to Jiren and Toppo's feats, nor Mastered UI and C). SS4 doesn't compare to SSB and above because it simply never got the feats. If Broly was on Beerus'level, you would think the least he can do is gravely injure Frieza? And if they did I dare you to quote me from the movie/Toriyama or Toyotaro/any legitimate proof from a credible source to say that Broly and Gogeta was on Beerus' level. He has seen Beerus going all out in the manga (GoDs battle royale) and in the anime (Beerus vs Champa). Thanks, I needed a light- Sanji. Blue is an absolute mismatch tho... @chasekilleen: It was said by the director Frieza had shown growth from the ToP to Broly movie. SSJ4 Gogeta vs. Beerus. Perhaps Gogeta could damage him, but I just think that he's above him. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. then again gogeta can just kill the supreme kai and easily neg, Beerus grabs Gogeta by hair and says hakai. There's nothing to shake in a void. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. There's nothing outright saying that he's on Beerus'level, again that's not Beerus' level. The only reason they don't is because they can counter their own shockwaves when they strike. Combine that with a power level that just seems naturally off the chart, and you have one good contender for giving Beerus a hell of a fight. As you can see, there is no reasonable arguement that can put Gogeta anywhere near the kind of power even an SSB possesses, much less Beerus. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. Tier: Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C. Name: Gogeta Origin: Dragon Ball. Quotes? He was shaking the stadium, that's the only thing there is to shake. Gogeta Blue stomped someone comparable to Beerus without much effort, meaning Gogeta is likely much stronger than that. They aren't. beerus via feats locks at universal. It all depends on who the authors like more, and its been like this for quite a while now. Tbh we could get clear confirmation on who wins if toei can tell us who's stronger between Vegito and beerus. MUI Goku surpasses Beerus and Jiren was able to swap hands with MUI Goku. Whis never mentions that Broly was in a God of Destruction's domain like Jiren has when he was comparing to Beerus as a God of Destruction. I personally like Gogeta more, so for me, he wins. Makes sense. He was comparing Jiren to Beerus'power as a God of Destruction at that time when he said that, naturally because he is Beerus' teacher and mentor, so he knows his strengths and weaknesses. @mainjp: When Broly attacked Frieza in his Golden form for an hour, not only Frieza didn't sustain any life threatening injuries, but Frieza was still in his Golden form.Toppo a God of Destruction in training, theorectically the weakest God of Destruction, absolutely thrashed Frieza without trying whatsoever and Jiren knocked Frieza out cold in one shot.Gogeta smashing dimensions is nothing new since Super Buu nearly succeded in doing that whilst Gohan was absorbed.That's not impressive at all... Jiren's 'hint of his true power' made Goku revert back to his base form, because he realized how powerful he truly was and Vegeta said that Jiren's Ki was the 'heaviest ki I have ever felt'. It is the time limit and whether they manage to stay fused that is the kicker in that fight. His single best attack that took years upon years of stored energy, was only going to destroy the universe by polluting it with negative ki and rotting it over time. If the two brothers were serious then they would've actually released more of their Ki's. Then Gogeta f*#ed around on Broly, so that puts Gogeta around Beerus level aswell, maybe above it, but its safest to say that he's 'around' that level. Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus, and while he may not have seen his full power, he probably saw a decent amount in the baseball episode. don't worry if plot wants then there will be a transformation for goku and friends to overcome beerus and everyone above him. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. there is no scaling that puts him above that. Does that make a lick of sense scaling wise? That is a much better debate. -The only thing they know about each other is that Beerus is a god of destruction, and that SSJ4 Gogeta is a fusion of 2 saiyans ; And that each might be stronger than anything they've faced before. 2 hours ago. I dare you to find me a quote from Toriyama and Toyotaro, or anything from a legitimate source. @karkus: People are using Goku's statement where he said "You might/probably stronger than our Beerus." There's no proof to even suggest that Broly was on Beerus' level, not even close. And his statement was solely basing it off of the Beerus in [God of Destruction arc]. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. you claim it's dumb despite seeing inferior feats...so, feats > scaling. @phantasial: Stop it, go back to wanking Naruto. Keep in mind this is Vegeta post Battle of Gods, Golden Frieza, Universe 6 vs 7, Black Goku/Future Trunks arc. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki.He only said "Looks like they have managed it". 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