Subreddit vs Subreddit posts or other posts looking to get a rise out of other online communities (Tumblr, 4chan, etc, etc). ssj gogeta was already >> ssb goku and vegeta. Honestly, there's no reason not to believe him entirely, he was talking seriously about the matter. If you're going to repost try to broaden or change the discussion to keep it fresh. For a guide on flairing and how to filter out flairs you don't like, click here. And that was before his power boost. Then Goku is pretty much dead. Distasteful posts for the sake of being "edgy". its to big and add ssb to it , it turns to an unholy stomp in favor of gogeta. unknowingly downplay. And we've seen him do it with extreme ease. Fusion also allowed Goten and trunks to fight way above their individual level that was a significantly bigger boost than any transformation. A.Whis is way more powerful than Beerus is. There’s no actual evidence that Belmod is stronger than Beerus aside from Whis joking to which Beerus replied it was only an arm wrestle, there’s also no timescale for that and could have been when Beerus was a younger GoD and not as strong. Assuming Gogeta will have the same Goku as the Goku in the other team he stomps. Vegeta overcame toppo who wouldn't be on the same level as belmod to produce a hakai to counter full power vegeta attack but he could have easily erased him multiple times as shown from their match. Limit Breaker Jiren should be handily above Beerus, especially since he was giving Goku a hell of a fight when he mastered a technique Beerus couldn't. I'm not sure what the anime equivalent to that was. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. [–]Goku4869 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (0 children). ryans Use your best judgment. [–]Galaxy_Megatron 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (13 children). Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. MUI runs out quite fast. The following post types and comments have been deemed low-quality by the community and may be removed. MUI Goku and LB Jiren are also individualy stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta so this doesn't make any sense. Even if you were to give a little wiggle room, Jiren got a massive power spike, he'd easily be ahead of Beerus by then. As for MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta I think MUI Goku can take it because of his speed and reaction time which is pretty much the best we've seen in Dragon Ball yet. there is not even one statement where is says jiren> beerus, it was later retconned from the V jump magazine. Sure it's not actually happened by anyone other than Zeno, but TOP Goku scales so far above SSG Goku that it would be a little ridiculous to assume he isn't capable of it. (Christmas). Hakai has shown to be negated by being stronger, this was shown by Frieza, Goku and Vegeta. Your post will get automatically removed if it is not flaired. Yeah but the manga at least seems more consistent to debate in many aspects (like the shockwave feat, which is much more clear im the manga than in the anime in my opinion), but debating the anime is fine too. Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than SSJB Gogeta Dragon Ball - General ... things even more confusing and complicated by bringing in Merus in a debate that was about the anime version of UI Goku vs Beerus. "Your Favorite/Least Favorite" character threads are not allowed due to lack of discussion these types of threads generate. Beerus also stopped the universe 7 destruction, I'd say that's pretty high showings compared to Jiren at least. Whis makes another statement in the anime saying that Mastering Ultra Instinct would result in Goku/ Vegeta surpassing Beerus. [–]Goku4869 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago* (4 children), Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis. Hakai has shown to be close range, far range and as energy releases. The feat you are talking is a space-time warping feat from what I can see, it is pretty impressive but Majin Buu did a similar thing way back in the Buu Arc (althought that dimension was already connected to Earth), but this time is much more casual too. @alextheboss: Destruction energy probably won't really do much. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. Users may not make more than 5 Posts per day. I think team 2 can take it mainly because of Jiren. Even the fully mastered state of the gods, Ultra Instinct, falls short to the jewel of universe eleven. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. Only the Manga. Jiren is confirmed stronger than Belmod, there’s no confirmation on where Belmod ranks among the rest of the GoDs, Beerus could still be stronger. It MIGHT have even surpassed beerus", the picture doesnt mean anything. I can see Gogeta defeating the other team, especially with the help of Beerus. Seal Team Six is tasked with infiltrating Kevin McAllister's compound and killing him. The only thing ultra instinct has over beerus is speed and the auto dodge hax, even then jiren was able to bypass that for a moment due to his strength being absolute and all that shit. He was even ready to erase Goku at one point, without the need to even power up. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. After all Beerus needs to be more powerful Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to resist his hakai. @takenstew22: Considering Vegeta alone is stronger than Toppo, and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus, and how Beerus was finessing multiple gods of destruction at once in the manga, I would say it’s fairly obvious. Being able to destroy 2 universes in one shot is literally the requirement of being 2-C. But we've never had an accurate scale for it. A.Whis is way more powerful than Beerus is. Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. while UI‘s boost was huge , it seems ppl are simply to slow to realize how huge the fusion boost was in the movie. Meta posts, multi-part tournaments, and other non-conventional posts require mod approval. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. I thought there were a couple moments where he was but was stopped. 483. "Ultra Instinct Goku is … Goku only became on the same level as Beerus once he got UI. Admit when you don't know. we know that jiren is stronger than belmod but even belmod is weaker than beerus, it wouldn't be right to say jiren would also be stronger than beerus. Do not be insulting or derogatory towards others under any circumstances, and don't resort to ad hominem attacks. Beerus' Hakai won't be landing on both Goku and Jiren cause of their massively superior reaction speeds. Whis also says this to Vegeta when he fights Beerus in the manga and loses the fight. I don’t remember seeing that in the movie (though it’s been a while). @sup3rn0va: the clash only happened because goku could control his ki hitting beerus, not raw power. But the fact is, even taking that into consideration, Jiren was set up as someone even a God of Destruction could not beat, and then got a power up on top of that. Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. C. Ultra instinct doesn’t make you untouchable even the completed version as evidenced by MUI Goku vs LB Jiren. Well, Kefla was struggling with regular UI Goku. Well, the movie hinted at him having to use 80% to fight Goku, and 100% to stop a universe busting attack. If you see a large number of posts about a character, try someone else. and if you add beerus here who has million+ years exp, Hakai and also incomplete ultra instinct than team 1 absolute destroys team 2 with mid to low diff, the only problem team 1 will be facing is mui gokus dodge hacks. Also proof that Beerus has a big enough power advantage over SSB Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to overcome his imperfect ultra instinct through sheer power like Jiren did against MUI Goku. Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. Or a fusion with Ultra Instinct. We have MUI Goku>Jiren>Belmod>Beerus 100%>>>>>The amount of Beerus's power Goku saw = or < Broly, who immediately pushed Gogeta to Blue once he went LJSS, so MUI Goku >>>>> SSB Gogeta. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. To submit a battle, click the Goku vs Superman (or Doom vs Vader) button above. Though Gogeta probably has more raw power. Downvoting will never be allowed on this sub. Gogeta >>>>> UI Goku > Brolly >=< Jiren >=< Beerus It’s ambiguous between the last 3 however UI is stronger than all 3 but is close. Report rule breaking and leave rule enforcement to the mods. Send us a message we'd love to help you with your thread. At the height of the power weve seen them have on screen (so that's Gogeta Blue when he fought Broly) (edited by administrators) Gogeta Autonomous Ultra Instinct (ability) Autonomous Ultra Instinct Dragon Ball Super: Broly. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed save the entire DBS Multiverse from jeopardy. Even with a power boost it wouldn’t automatically make him stronger or on the same level as the other GoDs because the power gaps would vary, e.g Goku getting SSJ1 was impressive because he surpassed Frieza but that same SSJ1 wouldn’t have compared to the androids or Perfect Cell. The penalty for breaking the rules of this sub, contributing to spam, trolling, or purposefully making things more difficult for the mods may include being banned. Team 2 should take it handily. It makes no difference when going up against Jiren now. Gogeta is on a whole over level though. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children). [–]Georgepaul4k 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). [–]armchair_science 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (9 children). Beerus isn't 2-C because he cannot destroy 2 universes alone. Cept this doesn't happen in the anime, so Goku did not actually know Beerus's full power. Joke posts, or posts that are primarily humurous in nature, are not allowed. So I’ll ask again in case I wasn’t being clear last time do you have any feats that suggest that Beerus is capable of erasing the likes of SSB Gogeta? And has Beerus never used his full power in the anime? When was it said Beerus is stronger than Toppo? Oh hell yes. Meaning Broly, and Jiren are non factors in this fight as neither of them have any hax. Furthermore, If Beerus was truly capable of destroying anything his reaction to Zeno wouldn’t be like this. In the anime, the emphasis for Jiren's strength was that he was so powerful that a God of Destruction who was stronger than Beerus could not defeat him. You can't call it headcanon, even if you want to question how strong Whis's conviction was there. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Do Goku or Jiren have a counter to Hakai? re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue quote GohanAntifan93 Gogeta Blue > Super Saiyan Full Power Broly > Super Saiyan Gogeta >Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku > Jiren > Ultra Instinct Goku we know broly is possibly stronger than beerus and gogeta absolutely finnesed the hell out of him which also means he's far above the gods including beerus. Beerus shouted. Factually Jiren is stronger than Belmod yes but aside from that everything else is headcanon or theory until proven otherwise. If we go by anime canon, Gogeta is probably far stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken and Evolved Super Saiyan Blue since Goku and Vegeta resorted to fusion to fight Broly instead of using any of these forms, alongside with those statements. Team 1. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Find a flair you like, click it, and send the message it brings you to exactly as-is. @sup3rn0va: what makes jiren stronger than beerus? Regardless, Jiren has far better showings imo. There's also those that claim Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power, although from a manga standpoint that's false as Beerus had no reason to hold back in the God of Destruction battle royale, which Goku witnessed. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? Jiren in his base form is already GoD tier and his final form well exceeds any GoD. Posts with no details or specifications whatsoever. Threads asking how X character would do with a Y-Colored Lantern Ring are not allowed. [–]Jamano-Eridzander 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). After all he wouldn’t even dare confront the Grand Priest when his existence was at stake in the ToP instead he tried to ask Whis to bribe his father to ensure his survival. [–]armchair_science 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). UI boost is also huge but not as big as from ssj to ssb. MUI Goku is beyond Gogeta. Sure hes stronger than HIS GoD but that doesn't mean Belmod is stronger than Beerus. Beerus’ only two feats with the move have been against two characters who are fodder compared to him. Can he win against all the Jedi that he lost to? Any posts that do not promote evidence-based debate. I have no doubt that a bloodlusted beerus would just start erasing everyone and everything including the universe he's in. Give ssj gogeta who already is ssb goku and vegeta the boost all the way up to ssb and he stomps. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). 0. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Beerus and Champa showed that just by fighting the universe was going to be destroyed. nonetheless every else is fine. This isn't his full power and is a showing of feat that jiren nor goku have. Jiren before he went Limit Breaker was already stronger than Belmod, who might not be as strong as Beerus, but it still says alot. Same with Champa. [–]Galaxy_Megatron 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago (15 children). it was referring mui with the text being " Gokus hair and aura starts to glow SILVER. team 1 wins, ultra instinct mastered only lasts for a minute lol, beerus also has ultra instinct but imperfect. So he does have an actual scale, thinking about it. Fusion is generally> the strongest non fused character. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 1.2 Meteor Attack 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. More like he is scared to death of them and is incapable of doing anything to them or at least that’s the case as far as Whis and his dad and Zeno are concerned. Until actual statements corroborate that and have actual confirmation as to where they rank it’s all a bit up in the air which is part of mystery about gods they seemed to be going for imo. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis, I'm giving it to Beerus, assuming he can also use UI. I didn't read the Manga yet so I can't say anything about this. His shirt wouldn't even come off. Also arguing for Gogeta blue, he clashed with broly broke the boundries of reality and got placed in another dimension until they clashed back in. 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